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Pronouncing Ng words; ngu, ngo, ngun, ngong, ngan, etc.

Discussion in 'Thai Language' started by THX 1133, 18 Jan 2013.

  1. THX 1133

    THX 1133 Thread Starter Active Member

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    When I first arrived here in LOS; the ng words were for me, to say the least, un-pronounceable.
    An old timer explained a simple trick for learning how to say these words.
    The English word "song" (as in singing) is the key to this; say song. Listen carefully to the final sound, song.
    Can you hear it? Say it over and over until you hear the final ng sound clearly and get yourself to the point of being able to pronounce the final sound only.
    Once you can do this; put that sound in front of the following vowels of each of the ng words.
    Ngu = snake
    Ngo = stupid (careful with this one) :smile2:
    Ngun = money
    Ngong = confused (one of my favorites) :happy1:
    Ngan = work (tam ngan)

    I'm a slow study; it took me about 2 weeks to get it.
    I get many smiles when I can correctly say these words; most of us apparently cannot.
    Cheers, good luck. :celebrate:

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    Wow, no comments. I'm underwhelmed...
     
  2. Dubarry

    Dubarry Active Member

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    I'm practicing this right now and my Thai partner is as usual laughing at my effort. :biglaugh:

    I wonder if I keep at it for 2 weeks like you.......................................:chinrub:
     
  3. THX 1133

    THX 1133 Thread Starter Active Member

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    Good for you.
    I kept at it; every day for 2 weeks. Hey, it impresses the hell out of the Thais because so few of us can actually say those words or even Kho Phang Ngan. :no: :smile2:

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    Just wait until you can actually say it. She'll be impressed; the chicks love it. :righton:
     
  4. Jocool140

    Jocool140 New Member

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    After a few years here - I had thought of that idea myself - and even used the word sing - great minds eh?
     
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    THX 1133 Thread Starter Active Member

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    Good one; that works.

    Of course. What else could it be? :confused: :hilarious:
     
  6. crew

    crew Faber College Member

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    the problem for english speakers is that our vocal tract is conditioned to use the 'ng' after other phonemes. here's a better trick, and one i used to help me to say 'ng' phoneme as an initial sound:

    say any english-language word that ends with 'ng' and follow it with a thai-language word that starts with it...

    sing-ngern
    song-ngoo
    bring-ngai

    then,slowly reduce the english word and incorporate it into the thai word

    sing-ngern
    ing-ngern
    ingern

    once you're used that, just start with just the thai word alone.

    slowly but surely, your muscle memory (critical when learning different phonetic patterns) helps you to make this sound much, much easier as an initial phoneme.
     
  7. Matthew

    Matthew Well-Known Member

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    Isn't that the same trick? :thumbsup2:

    NOw that I read back, not really...hmm..the first time I read (quickly, sleepily) the OP I sort of assumed he was doing this...

    Yeah..this is easier!
     
  8. stimo

    stimo New Member

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    WE DO MAKE THE 'NG' SOUND IN ENGLISH BUT IT'S AT THE END OF A WORD, NOT THE BEGINNING ! I HAD THE SAME PROBLEM TOO, BUT PRACTICE MAKES PERFECT.
     
  9. crew

    crew Faber College Member

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    WHAT WAS THAT? I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!

    sorry man, but what's up with the all CAPS? :confused:
     
  10. crew

    crew Faber College Member

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    and yes, you're right...
     
  11. slamb

    slamb Active Member

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    I used to think that 'ng' was pronounced from the throat with no movement of the lips but I've found it's pronounced more accurately if you say it with a 'fake smile'; am I making sense?

    Do you pronounce it ghost Phang Ngan? Then they'll really be impressed. :happy1:
     
  12. crew

    crew Faber College Member

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    yes. the phonetics experts would call the lip position as 'wide'. also, it's a nasal-velar sound. meaning the vocal tract is closed, at the soft palate (velum), while air escapes through the nasal passage.
     
  13. slamb

    slamb Active Member

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    I looked all that up on the internet & I think I know what you mean. :smile:

    I think I'm better suited to maths & science. This English language thingbob is just too confusing. :confused:
     
  14. crew

    crew Faber College Member

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    nah, it's just that trying to explain this stuff over the forum is difficult. throw in a mouth diagram and some controlled reception and production exercises and we're cooking with gas.
     

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