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Job offer in China......

Discussion in 'Teaching Jobs You Know Of' started by sirchai, 3 Feb 2017.

  1. Wangsuda

    Wangsuda Nonentity Staff Member

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    Oh, I have been. Just have to get some paperwork together. Seems Thailand and China are in a race for who can generate the most paperwork needed for a visa LOL
     
  2. Internationalteacher

    Internationalteacher Well-Known Member

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    ^Best get a job first imo. Also if you want websites to look for these jobs, send me a pm. Cheers
     
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  3. DigitalGypsy

    DigitalGypsy Well-Known Member

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    How does this one seem to veteran eyes? (for a China first-timer). Is it a reasonable package?

    I've seen a number of job ads requiring 2-3 letters of recommendation. I'm not even sure where I would start in terms of asking someone to write such a letter?

    -a bit difficult at my current school as it's best not to give them info that you're currently looking for other work, lest it rocks the boat and makes life awkward in the meantime

    -previous Thai jobs? I'm not sure they would be reliable enough to complete such a letter, or have appropriate English skills to do so either, or even care...

    -that leaves my Thai uni lecturers, would that suffice as a source of such letters?

    DG

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  4. portnoy58

    portnoy58 Well-Known Member

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    I am only a veteran in age terms and still a China novice! Good starting salary. That they are interested in someone with a reading specialism speaks in their favour for me. Their attempt at describing an inquiry based approach to education, and specifically what happens when it is used, is really a statement of what they want as opposed to what actually happens. An inquiry based approach to curriculum is no easy matter as I am learning. Suggests to me a relatively new school. For a new start, living on campus may have more pluses than negatives however if you decide to get your own place at a later stage no guarantee the school will pay if they provide accommodation in school.

    You will be inland so I would definitely check out air pollution levels. Also I would try to find out a little about the holding company, Best Education. I would also go to the school's website and check out profiles of current teachers if available and then make contact - you might find them on Facebook or LinkedIn - ask for an opinion.

    For the reference write it yourself, take it to the admin, and get them to print it out and stamp it. But wait until you have a job offer before doing that on the basis of what you say about your little Hitlers.

    Good luck!
     
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  5. Internationalteacher

    Internationalteacher Well-Known Member

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    Hey DG,

    The professional reference letters are from admin that have seen you teach. Many international schools won't even look at a reference letter from a colleague. Trust me, I asked once. I didn't see the school you posted online while doing a search for them. Usually I research a school before taking an interview. If they aren't accredited (WASC, IB, etc), then they aren't a real international school. It could be a bilingual school. Most international schools require a teaching certification and some teaching experience. I'd highly suggest getting on an international school recruiting website like Welcome to Search Associates Teach Abroad | International Teaching | The International Educator (TIE Online) Home - Schrole Connect International Schools Services - Home and then you have to go through a vetting procedure, but at least you know they are decent and real international schools. Many of the schools will say if they need experience and then you can apply. Many like Search and ISS have job fairs around the world as well. You have you teaching degree, correct? I'd be weary of schools that don't have any information online, as there are many corrupt schools and shit schools in China.

    I've never heard of the city of Zhengzhou, and you'd have to look at the cost of living in regards to the pay and benefits for future reference.
     
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  6. DigitalGypsy

    DigitalGypsy Well-Known Member

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    Cheers for the info and advice all,

    No, Ed degree as yet to be completed. I'm only window shopping at the moment so I can get a feel for what I should be aiming for and in what area further down the line. I'm trying to compare my circumstances here in Thailand against what to expect in China.

    Thanks again,

    DG
     
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  7. Internationalteacher

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    Right, but I'm giving you advice about where to look if or when you are a certified teacher. You will make more money in China compared to Thailand, no doubt about that (even at a public/language school), but there are a million other things you need to keep in mind..City you want to work in, type of school, age range, etc. My advise is clear about checking into a school, researching it online, etc. I'd highly advice going on some Chinese forums like Daves ESL Cafe has a few forums for job advice/off topic as well.
     
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  8. DigitalGypsy

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    Cheers IT, I appreciate the info you've been providing the past while, it has definitely been useful and noted.

    Just a quick question that has been on my mind recently:

    My eventual M.Ed (once completed) will have been via a private Thai university (Assumption), do you know how that is viewed in China? By that I mean do they look down their noses (like some are oft to do) at qualifications acquired elsewhere other than the western lands of milk and honey...? My main goal is to work as an ESL teacher and not a particular subject teacher, as I don't have a degree in anything that's relevant to primary/secondary level education. Eventually an MA in ELT (online) is my intention, however I was thinking of starting that whilst working in China, if possible...

    DG
     
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  9. Wangsuda

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    Don't worry about that. Many primary teachers in California have the following:
    • A liberal arts degree (or something similar)
    • A multi-subject credential
    Not being specialized can lead to some plumb primary education positions (at least in the west). An MEd shows you have general knowledge - good for the primary level.
     
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  10. Internationalteacher

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    ^DG: I'd think you'd have a better chance at working at a university with a M.Ed. Most international schools require a B.Ed. or PGCE/QTS. If you have a background working with university level that would be even better. I think most good schools will pay you higher with a Master's in any subject, but how much higher depends on the school. I don't think they care where you got your M.Ed, but again I can't 100% say on this. I know for me, I hope to be finished in three years of my M.Ed. via distance, and hope to get higher pay and have more job opportunities in international schools.

    As I said prior, there are many experienced people in China who work at universities and abroad that post on Daves cafe in the China section. I'd suggest bringing some of your questions to them on this topic. There are only a few people on this forum working in China, so you may get more answers over there. Cheers
     
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  11. Internationalteacher

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    Hmm, but if he doesn't have a B.Ed. and no experience with primary, then he may have a hard time getting into primary. I have my B.Ed specializing in primary education (K-5) with ESL experience which got me into an international school teaching EAL (I could also teach homeroom if I wanted).
     
  12. Mr. Chips

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    Thanks Gov!
    Sirchai. You are a great guy but please lay off the anti USA stuff. A little is OK... but seems a bit much. Sorry.
    My fault for letting myself get sucked in.

    Now my question. I might be way off but is there also an English First company dealing with China or only Education First?
     
  13. DigitalGypsy

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    I have 3 years teaching experience in a private school at primary level, (about to start my fourth), and one year at Mathayom level (all in Thailand)

    DG
     
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  14. sirchai

    sirchai Thread Starter Well-Known Member

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    -previous Thai jobs? I'm not sure they would be reliable enough to complete such a letter, or have appropriate English skills to do so either, or even care...


    You could use their bombastic English skills to write your own evaluation and let it sign by the superiors.

    I've just received my self-made evaluation where I could tick the right boxes.

    The trick is to make it look like it was their idea, not yours.

    Signed and stamped by the head teacher and the director.

    Apparently, the best evaluation I've ever seen. :thumbs up
     
  15. portnoy58

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    Hey DG the school whose ad you copied could be like mine, situated in a special development area where part of the plan is to attract inward investment from overseas. It means large government subsidy is available over a number of years to promote the overall development of the area and usually means infrastructure projects like a new airport, a metro and high speed trains. It also includes support for setting up an international school, a further factor in making an area attractive to foreign companies - look we have a school here so your executives can bring their kids too.

    This gives you an indication of how meticulous the authorities here are in their planning.
     
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